Thursday, November 29, 2018

Climate change denialism: Don't Republicans have children?

From the Washington Post interview with President Trump:

TRUMP: One of the problems that a lot of people like myself — we have very high levels of intelligence, but we’re not necessarily such believers. You look at our air and our water, and it’s right now at a record clean. But when you look at China and you look at parts of Asia and when you look at South America, and when you look at many other places in this world, including Russia, including — just many other places — the air is incredibly dirty.

And when you’re talking about an atmosphere, oceans are very small. And it blows over and it sails over. I mean, we take thousands of tons of garbage off our beaches all the time that comes over from Asia. It just flows right down the Pacific, it flows, and we say where does this come from. And it takes many people to start off with.

Number two, if you go back and if you look at articles, they talked about global freezing, they talked about at some point the planets could have freeze[sic] to death, then it’s going to die of heat exhaustion. There is movement in the atmosphere. There’s no question. As to whether or not it’s man-made and whether or not the effects that you’re talking about are there, I don’t see it — not nearly like it is. 

Do we want clean water? Absolutely. Do we want clean air to breathe? Absolutely. The fire in California, where I was, if you looked at the floor, the floor of the fire, they have trees that were fallen, they did no forest management, no forest maintenance, and you can light — you can take a match like this and light a tree trunk when that thing is laying there for more than 14 or 15 months. And it’s a massive problem in California.

[JOSH] DAWSEY: So you’re saying you don’t see the —

TRUMP: Josh, you go to other places where they have denser trees — it’s more dense, where the trees are more flammable — they don’t have forest fires like this, because they maintain. And it was very interesting, I was watching the firemen, and they’re raking brush — you know the tumbleweed and brush, and all this stuff that’s growing underneath. It’s on fire, and they’re raking it, working so hard, and they’re raking all this stuff. 

If that was raked in the beginning, there’d be nothing to catch on fire. It’s very interesting to see. A lot of the trees, they took tremendous burn at the bottom, but they didn’t catch on fire. The bottom is all burned but they didn’t catch on fire because they sucked the water, they’re wet. You need forest management, and they don’t have it...

See also Paul Krugman on the "depravity" of climate change denialism in the NY Times

...Denying climate change, no matter what the evidence, has become a core Republican principle. And it’s worth trying to understand both how that happened and the sheer depravity involved in being a denialist at this point.

Wait, isn’t depravity too strong a term? Aren’t people allowed to disagree with conventional wisdom, even if that wisdom is supported by overwhelming scientific consensus?

Yes, they are — as long as their arguments are made in good faith. But there are almost no good-faith climate-change deniers. And denying science for profit, political advantage or ego satisfaction is not O.K. When failure to act on the science may have terrible consequences, denial is, as I said, depraved.

...climate denial actually follows in the footsteps of earlier science denial, beginning with the long campaign by tobacco companies to confuse the public about the dangers of smoking.

The shocking truth is that by the 1950s these companies already knew that smoking caused lung cancer; but they spent large sums propping up the appearance that there was a real controversy about this link. 

In other words, they were aware that their product was killing people, but they tried to keep the public from understanding this fact so they could keep earning profits. That qualifies as depravity, doesn’t it?

In many ways, climate denialism resembles cancer denialism. Businesses with a financial interest in confusing the public — in this case, fossil-fuel companies — are prime movers. 

As far as I can tell, every one of the handful of well-known scientists who have expressed climate skepticism has received large sums of money from these companies or from dark money conduits like DonorsTrust — the same conduit, as it happens, that supported Matthew Whitaker, the new acting attorney general, before he joined the Trump administration.

But climate denial has sunk deeper political roots than cancer denial ever did. In practice, you can’t be a modern Republican in good standing unless you deny the reality of global warming, assert that it has natural causes or insist that nothing can be done about it without destroying the economy. 

You also have to either accept or acquiesce in wild claims that the overwhelming evidence for climate change is a hoax, that it has been fabricated by a vast global conspiracy of scientists.

Why would anyone go along with such things? Money is still the main answer: Almost all prominent climate deniers are on the fossil-fuel take. 

However, ideology is also a factor: If you take environmental issues seriously, you are led to the need for government regulation of some kind, so rigid free-market ideologues don’t want to believe that environmental concerns are real (although apparently forcing consumers to subsidize coal is fine)...

Indeed, it’s depravity on a scale that makes cancer denial seem trivial. Smoking kills people, and tobacco companies that tried to confuse the public about that reality were being evil. 

But climate change isn’t just killing people; it may well kill civilization. Trying to confuse the public about that is evil on a whole different level. 

Don’t some of these people have children?

And let’s be clear: While Donald Trump is a prime example of the depravity of climate denial, this is an issue on which his whole party went over to the dark side years ago. 

Republicans don’t just have bad ideas; at this point, they are, necessarily, bad people.

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At 6:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't like to get into right or left when it comes to climate. But in response to this article I'll only mention one democrat Mr climate al gore.

According to his videos and speeches on the climate the pilot ice caps were supposedly to melt in 2014. A 2015 NASA study showed we actually had more polar ice in 2015 than we did in 2014.

Like him we have bogus reports on the climate stating zero details on what studies or any specifics on how studies were conducted and what they used. It's never anything specific. What you do see in these reports is just information on what they think will happen with bogus math.
However, on the other side that calls bs you are given specific details on what studies were conducted, what was used, where and how. They(whom everybody calls deniers) get specific. Those studies do not just tell you but they also show you that the earths temperature hasn't risen as were being told but has actually dropped.
We were once told by the climate change group of folks al gore Included that we will indeed freeze over. Today they have flipped it. Today were are told that we're going to burn and be buried under water. Science is science and not and opinion. You can't just flip flop.
That being said the ultimate proof is not that democrats insult you and call you names and a denier if you don't go their way. To read a specific 4000 page report to only say well 96% of that report talks about man made climate change does not mean that 96% of all scientist believe climate change is man made. That's a bullshit twisting of facts.

The ultimate proof that this climate change crape is fake is this.....

According to the climate change gurus they say the earths temperature that has dropped is rising and will continue to rise until ice melts and we're under water. Supposedly starting 25-30 years from now on. Weakest case scenario 10ft of sea level rise. Worst case scenario 100ft sea level rise.

Just go by their weakest case 10ft. London would be under water, California, Texas, Florida. Today California is trying to change its laws allowing for new developments and housing along its coast. Why?

Let's stick with Florida. Today the number one housing market in Florida is beach front property. Especially condos. They are developing all up and down the cost with more new developments coming. Now if Florida was going under water like these climate change gurus say you could not get a loan. Not one bank would fund any development in the beach nor would they approve a loan to buy the house or condo. Not one person would get a damn penny from loan money for a new condo on the beach. I was in Florida 2 months ago and saw the developments. Anytime you are into purchasing a piece of property they have what is called a disclosure statement. Not one of them said anything about sea level rise. They mention flooding and hurricane prone but not one word on sea level rise. This is what tells you climate change is all bullshit.

We all know America is a cash cow cash machine. We have wars for money. My point here is if you want to know if climate change is real or not follow the money. The fact that banks are giving loans for newbeqch front developments tells you climate change is bs. Banks are crooks that are not into losing money. You wouldn't get one fucking loan if the sea level was going to rise.

At 9:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop eating steak and hamburgers damn it. Your causing our polar ice caps to melt. So turning us into vegan heads will save the climate.


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