Saturday, January 30, 2021

Will Dems waste billions more on high-speed rail?


With “Amtrak Joe” Biden in the White House and the Democrats’ takeover of Congress, high-speed train advocates gleefully anticipate federal funding for a true high-speed rail system. 

Before Congress approves, however, it should ask hard questions including: How much will it cost? Who will pay for it? And how many will actually use it?

Such questions are particularly pertinent considering how poorly the last high-speed rail spending spree worked out. In 2009 and 2010, the Obama administration gave $11.5 billion to states for high-speed rail projects. While only the California project was expected to produce trains faster than 150 miles per hour, the other projects were supposed to increase frequencies and speeds in nine corridors.

Ten years later, only one corridor has seen an increase in frequencies, by two trains a day....Basically, the $11.5 billion was wasted.

Despite this failure, passenger train advocates believe they are entitled to federal high-speed rail funding because the federal government funded the Interstate Highway System. But there are big differences between interstate highways and high-speed rail proposals.

First, the interstates were paid for entirely by highway users. In contrast, high-speed rail fares would cover none of the construction costs and only a fraction of the costs of operating high-speed trains.

Second, interstates were far less expensive to build than rails. The 48,000 miles of interstates cost about $530 billion in today’s dollars, or an average of about $10 million a mile for a four-lane freeway. 

California, meanwhile, spent about $100 million a mile building a high-speed rail line on flat ground and expected to spend at least $170 million a mile through hilly territory.

Third, the interstates connect with the nation’s other 4 million miles of roads, allowing door-to-door travel from just about anywhere to anywhere else in the contiguous 48 states....

Finally, because the interstates provided travel that was faster, more convenient, and less expensive than before, they are enormously productive, carrying about 20 percent of all passenger travel and 20 percent of all freight ton-miles shipped in the United States. 

In contrast, being slower than flying, less convenient than driving, and more expensive than both, a high-speed rail network will carry no more than about 2 percent of passenger travel and no freight.

The Obama administration originally proposed an 8,600-mile high-speed rail system that would consist of six disconnected networks. If built to California’s high-speed rail standards, this would cost more than $1 trillion. A study prepared by high-speed rail advocates estimated that it would carry 25 billion passenger-miles a year, or only about 0.5 percent of the nation’s passenger travel....

Rail advocates point out that China has built 22,000 miles of high-speed rail lines. Yet most riders of Chinese high-speed trains were previously riders of conventional trains — the trains attracted few if any out of cars or airplanes....

Moreover, constructing those 22,000 miles helped put China’s state railway system $850 billion in debt, which has forced the country to slow rail construction. Meanwhile, China has built 93,000 miles of expressways, about 40 percent more than in the United States, and because those expressways pay for themselves with tolls it is building about 5,000 more miles each year.

Finally, rail supporters claim that high-speed train operations will emit less greenhouse gases than flying. What they don’t say is that building high-speed rail lines generates thousands of tons of greenhouse gases per mile, and it would take decades for any operational savings to recover that cost and then only if the lines were heavily used. Such heavy use is unlikely in most corridors in the United States.

Like electric typewriters, rotary telephones, and Conestoga wagons, high-speed trains are an obsolete technology. The United States should not waste any more money on such projects.

Rob's comment:
For the anti-car folks, trains are almost as good as bikes, since they aren't cars. That's why Streetsblog likes the high-speed rail project. 

As a Democrat who never votes for Republicans, I hope the Biden administration stops funding the dumb California project: Biden, Streetsblog, and high-speed rail

An important part of the party's political base, the construction unions, loves the project, since even dumb projects create jobs for union members.

O'Toole on the Honolulu rail fiasco: A billion here, a billion there...


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8 Comments:

At 2:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The answer to the question is YES! When half of the population votes for one side like a homecoming queen in high school ignoring real issues this is the end result. Party in the streets when a democrat wins an election because your life sucks and you just have to feel good about something. In reality presidents come and go every 4-8 years and your dumb lives never change. Your lives still sucks and your complaining just continues to grow. I hope the democrats build 20 high speed rail lines right up your asses.

 
At 4:42 PM, Blogger Rob Anderson said...

Right, because conservatives only vote on the issues and never complain, since they live happy, productive lives.

The reality is otherwise:
The right's 'murderous rage' problem
Recently fired Fox News election forecaster Chris Stirewalt writes of the “murderous rage” that Trump supporters directed at him after he correctly projected on election night that Joe Biden would win Arizona. He blames their refusal to accept reality on the steady diet of unbalanced, under-reported partisan entertainment fed to them as “news” over many years.

You folks are fuming in your Fox News, Breitbart bubble, insulated from the reality the rest of us learn about in more objective accounts we find in, yes, the reviled mainstream media. Can you really believe that the people on those sources are better journalists than those at the NY Times and the Washington Post?

 
At 7:34 PM, Blogger Rob Anderson said...

On the waste issue: I suspect that even Biden and liberal Democrats will pause before throwing billions more at this project after they pass a $1.9 trillion Covid bill.

 
At 3:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You should read through the package. Last package passed gave $14 billion to transportation. This one includes an additional $30 billion. There is no pause it’s full throttle.

 
At 1:23 PM, Blogger Rob Anderson said...

Yes, but the rest of the proposal is good. Besides, public transportation always requires taxpayer subsidy. It will help the SFMTA save jobs, which is a Good Thing. Its bloated payroll should face a reckoning someday but now is not the time.

 
At 1:27 PM, Blogger Rob Anderson said...

Here's a link to the SFMTA's payroll.

 
At 10:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can you really believe that liberal one sided opinionated articles by The NY Times and Washington Post are better than going to the actual source? Oh anybody that reads The NY Times or Washington Post must know everything? CNN is suppose to make one a genius?

You can keep dropping different media as though the media you watch is more holy as though it’s suppose to be insulting that someone doesn’t read The NY Times. Omg it’s the end of the world. That explains what’s keeping you dumb amongst other reasons.

Fuck FOX and the newspapers your read. How about trying Congress.gov.

 
At 2:44 PM, Blogger Rob Anderson said...

Congress.gov is a good source of info on what Congress is doing, but it isn't a source for sensible analysis of that information. You should cut the crap---"genius" and "holy"?---and tell us about your supposedly superior sources are for analysis and opinion.

I've been a media junkie since the 1960s, when I sometimes read the National Review and Commentary magazine for conservative views. But I also read The Nation and The New Republic for a more credible and humane view. Recall that William F. Buckley opposed the 1957 Civil Rights Act, the first civil rights legislation since Reconstruction.

Buckley changed his opinion when he acknowledged white violence against black people in the South.

I bet Buckley would be disappointed in how the Repugnant Party has regressed on the race issue since he died.

 

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