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Labels: Anti-Americanism, Russia, Trump
posted by Rob Anderson @ 10:10 AM
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11 Comments:
Play me a violin!
Meaning what? That having a president who's a traitor is okay?
Traitor? Oh I see. Russian collusion hasn't worked out so well for you guys and are now in need of a new storyline. Forget the violin. Davies symphony hall 401 Van ness ave
How do you describe what Trump said in Helsinki? Treason is defined in the Constitution:
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
Too bad you don't understand article 3.
"How do you describe what Trump said in Helsinki"
The same way I would describe Obam's open mic and his lifting of Russian sanctions.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MNxEDomUlXw
It's called diplomacy. Although Obama's open mic was a private chat. World leaders don't insult eachother or get to negative when meeting in public.
Ironically 3 years before Obama was caught on the mic he lifted sanctions off Russia in 2009 to push the Iran nuclear deal through. There was nothing wrong with that either. It's diplomacy.
I know that you hate Trump and that he makes you pull the last 15 hairs left on your head. But I don't really give a shit and could care less about distorted opinions. Doesn't seem like any of you can make up your minds. Russian collusion, Trump finances, Trump working with the Russians, obstruction of justice, and now treason.
Facts are facts and laws are laws. Unless of course facts and laws don't go your way as a democrat then all hell breaks loose.
Here is a fun fact for you: On an international level an "enemy" is who your at war with.
Your chronology is off by years on the Iran nuclear deal, which happened in 2015, not 2009.
It's not at all clear what Obama was talking about in that video, but we know that, along with Europe, he supported sanctioning Russia for invading Crimea and the Ukraine.
Whatever was said in that meeting---or the context for the snippet in the video---I don't know of any evidence that the US proposed lifting sanctions on Russia in exchange for Russia's support of the Iran nuke deal.
Republican/Trump collusion with Russia goes back at least as far as the Republican convention in 2016 when they changed the platform to soften the language on Russia and the Ukraine/Crimea. Why would they do that, and what did they get from Russia in return? Maybe Mueller will explain that for us.
"Doesn't seem like any of you can make up your minds. Russian collusion, Trump finances, Trump working with the Russians, obstruction of justice, and now treason."
It's all of the above. Trump has acted for years as if he's working for Russian interests. That's probably because of his financial relationship with Russia, which began in the 1990s when US banks stopped lending money to Trump after his bankruptcies. Mueller has experts in finances and money-laundering that will explain that relationship.
"Here is a fun fact for you: On an international level an 'enemy' is who your at war with."
Though Trump is still equivocating, even Republicans don't deny that Russia attacked the US electronically during the 2016 election, and, according to Dan Coats, Trump's Republican Director of National Intelligence, those attacks are still happening.
"Your chronology is off by years on the Iran nuclear deal, which happened in 2015, not 2009"
No. I said Obama lifted sanctions then to push it through. The final agreement signing may have happened in 2015 with a photo op. However, 2015 is not when everything started. Obama did not want to go to war with Iran so he started with sanctions and pressure in an effort to bring them to the table Russia was not too happy about either. Obama lifted sanctions on Russia as a deal to get them to go along with it. Bringing Russia an Iran ally is what brought Iran to the table in the first place. As i said nothing wrong with what Obama was doing. Deals are made without public insults all the time. DIPLOMACY. Being nice in public is not treason. But thanks for letting me know you and the dems are calling for a sitting president's execution as the punishment for treason is the death penalty. Great citizens!
"It's not at all clear what Obama was talking about in that video"
It doesn't matter. My point is that Obama was being nice just like Trump was being nice.There are no insults between world leaders in public when meeting.
"It's all of the above" "Though Trump is still equivocating, even Republicans don't deny that Russia attacked the US electronically during the 2016 election, and, according to Dan Coats, Trump's Republican Director of National Intelligence, those attacks are still happening."
Wong.
No American or American citizen was involved in Russian meddling. CNN and MSNBC not report that to you? And Russia posting on facebook or trying to hack computers is not treason by a sitting American president. As our government does the same all over the world. I assume this irrelevant statement was made as to make a shift in topic off of treason?
Here is Trumps financial disclosure to run for president investigated by the government. Go ahead and please try and find me money laundering. The government hasn't found it nor has the ethics comity that has investigated it.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2838696-Trump-2016-Financial-Disclosure.html
Manafort supposedly had something to do with "collusion" as you have stated on your site as well as the media pushing that narrative. Well go read the indictment. It only had to do with taxes and money laundering. If they found Manaforts with a subpoena and a warrant to search his home and office. They most definitely would have found Trump's by now if any had existed without a subpoena as his finances are public record.
Repeating the constantly changing narrative as you do does not make anything factual. It only makes you feel good inside so that you can jump up and say yeah!
To move away from the argument for a second. I was referring to a different set of sanctions other than Ukraine. John Kerry mentioned maybe removing Ukraine sanctions in 2016 but it never happened. Those sanctions still remain in place since 2014. I'm sorry I did not clarify.
Still waiting for evidence that Obama made some kind of deal with Russia on sanctions.
You ignore all the contacts Trump's people had with Russia during the campaign. Whether any of that amounts to criminal collusion/conspiracy remains to be seen. Mueller will provide some answers on that.
Manafort's contacts with Russia began when he started working for pro-Russian Ukrainian political figures. He's facing years in jail if convicted of Mueller's original charges, but he may flip before that trial, assuming he has anything of interest to say that Mueller doesn't already know.
Trump's financial deals are also being examined by Mueller. I suspect that he's been dealing with a lot of shady financial sources since US banks stopped lending him money.
And then there's the Steele Dossier, much of which has already been verified. Maybe Russia will release the video of the Moscow hotel incident when the Russian hookers peed on the same bed Obama slept on as Trump looked on approvingly.
"Still waiting for evidence that Obama made some kind of deal with Russia on sanctions"
Seems like your too lazy to look it up and read. Yet your comments show you don't read anything. So rather than make it difficult on you with the state department website(too much reading for you). I've decided to give you
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/world/22sanctions.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/21/AR2010052102590.html
"You ignore all of the contacts Trump's people had with Russia during the campaign"
And your ignoring the issue of treason. But go ahead and list those people and contacts And incidents. Liste those people.
With regards to Manafort his contacts with the pro Ukraine gov during the obama years. Although this happened before Trump ever announced his candidacy. It actually helped undermine that government starting the problem that they had in Ukraine with the over throw of that government. Which is exactly why Obama wanted the case against him back then we're dropped. Now I've posted Muller's indictment on your site before. There is no Russian criminal evidence. None what so ever. Not even one charge that has to do with Russia and the Trump campaign. It all has to do with money and taxes dating years before Trumps candidacy. Are you saying you know more than Muller?? Is that what your saying?
"Trump's financial deals".
I'll help you out for a minute since you lack knowledge of how our government system works. I pasted a link of Trump's financial statement which was already investigated. If they found anything in his application or finances he would have had a pretty hard time trying to become a candidate. You should know this as you tried running for SF supervisor once. But he's president now. Therefor that financial issue is closed.
If you knew how the financial system works you would have known why banks stopped lending him money for a short while after a company bankruptcy in the 1990s.
No. Much of the Steele dossier has not been verified. As a matter of fact none of it has been verified. Your a grown man you can check out the DOJ and FBI websites on your own to find your "evidence" of that.
"Hookers peed"
I'm not even going to dignify that with a response. Try respecting your own intelligence a little.
All that being said. Still no Russian collusion. Oh yeah since you like to deflect off topic(your style of argument) there is no treason either.
Okay, I grant your point on Obama and sanctions. But one of your links provides the rationale for lifting some sanctions on Russia in exchange for its support of the Iran nuke deal:
"...[Obama]administration officials said there was no evidence of current arms or technology transfers involving the [Russian]companies freed of sanctions on Friday. Rosoboronexport, the state arms export corporation, was sanctioned in 2008 for arms sales to Iran, while the Dmitry Mendeleev University of Chemical Technology, the Moscow Aviation Institute and the Tula Instrument Design Bureau were all originally sanctioned in 1999."
Seems like a good deal: Russian support for a deal that makes Iran give up its nuke program in exchange for lifting sanctions that were apparently of minor significance to the US.
This is not the same as lifting sanctions on Russia for its invasion of Crimea and the Ukraine, which Trump mentioned during the campaign and apparently some of his advisers talked to Russia about.
Your wishful thinking about Trump's finances: "Therefore that financial issue is closed."
Trump's financial disclosure form doesn't really reveal anything of a significance, except that he is rich and has a lot of different interests.
Though page 57 shows he has loans from Deutsche Bank, which also has a checkered history with Russia and money laundering. See Trump, Russia, and Deutsche Bank: What we know so far for more on Trump's relationships with Russia and that bank. See also Timeline: From corruption to collusion.
This is an issue that Mueller will be looking into in even more depth, since his team includes experts in money laundering and international finance.
You say on Manafort:
"Although this[Manafort's Ukraine involvement] happened before Trump ever announced his candidacy. It actually helped undermine that government starting the problem that they had in Ukraine with the over throw of that government. Which is exactly why Obama wanted the case against him back then we're dropped."
Hard to sort out this muddle. Manafort worked for the pro-Russia government in the Ukraine before it was overthrown by Ukrainians that wanted closer ties with Europe, not Russia. But the point is: Russia and Trump. Why would Trump make Manafort his campaign manager with this background? By the way, during Manafort's tenure with the campaign, during the Republican convention in 2016, the party's platform statement on Russia and the Ukraine/Crimea was weakened by Trump's supporters in favor of Russia.
But I agree that the present case against Manafort is not necessarily directly related to the issues about Trump's relationship with Russia.
The Steele Dossier has been partly verified. I wouldn't be surprised if the peeing-on-the-bed rumor turned out to be true, since I think Trump is a malicious prick and a contemptible human being. It's the sort of thing he might do.
Like Trump himself, you like to claim "no collusion," as if the Mueller investigation---a "witch hunt"?---is not ongoing and apparently not near a conclusion. We'll see, won't we?
In the meantime, take a look at this: In Helsinki, Trump Shows He Is Indeed Guilty of Collusion.
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