Monday, October 19, 2015

Commute to SF from Vegas?

Randal O'Toole writes this:

Someone has calculated that it would be less expensive for San Francisco workers to rent a two-bedroom apartment in Las Vegas and commute by air than to rent a one-bedroom apartment in San Francisco. They reasoned that a one-bedroom in San Francisco is about $3,100 a month while a two-bedroom in Las Vegas is about $1,000 a month, and four-day-a-week airfares would be about $1,100 a month. Even with local transport, Las Vegas is less expensive than San Francisco. While most responses focus on the quality of life in Las Vegas vs. San Francisco, the point is that the latter is so terribly overpriced that some software engineers are actually living out of their cars.

Some skeptics respond to O'Toole in the comments to his post.

Why not just move to Las Vegas? A comment to the post that inspired O'Toole:

As someone who has lived/worked in Los Angeles, San Francisco, and now Las Vegas, I can tell you, living in Las Vegas has raised our quality of life tremendously. I'm not sure what your friend is telling you, but we have NO traffic here, which means not spending an hour at an intersection trying to get on a bridge that you have to pay $14 to cross. Many of our "everyday" businesses (grocery stores, restaurants, Walmarts etc.) are open 24 hours, we have In-N-Out, and there is an unlimited amount of entertainment options that at anytime are about 15 minutes away. Additionally, we have a fairly large number of flights going to just about anywhere, out of an airport that is roughly 10-20 minute drive from most places in town (compared to SFO's outlying location). Gas is cheap(er) than L.A. and San Fran, and lunch/dinner at a local's casino buffet is often cheaper than a "Value Meal" at McDonald's. Las Vegas does have it's crime here and there, but honestly it doesn't seem any worse than in San Francisco, and certainly better than the East Bay. I've been here for a number of years, and I have yet to be surrounded by vagrants wanting money while I pump my gas, as I have in San Francisco. Las Vegas does have intense heat, which San Francisco doesn't have, but it's a small price to pay for all of the positive attributes.

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At 3:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have you thought about it Rob? Imagine, no bike nuts screwing up the car traffic. Can I have your apartment?

 
At 5:17 PM, Blogger Rob Anderson said...

No. You, on the other hand, could be the first bike asshole in Las Vegas, though I don't think the Mafia would allow Critical Mass there. And you'd have to be careful who you ran out of a crosswalk.

 
At 5:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, think it over Rob. There's always time to change your mind, and let us know when your apartment becomes available.

 
At 8:10 PM, Blogger Rob Anderson said...

Let me know when you're ready to kiss my ass.

 
At 8:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I moved from the Marina to Chicago, and I was just having dinner the other night with another former San Franciscan, and we were both shocked to admit, we actually enjoy the quality of life in Chicago better. I know this might sound strange, but just being able to shop and go out to eat or drink in a downtown setting without stepping over urine, feces and being chased by panhandlers is quite a refreshing change. As for the weather, I have learned to enjoy a four seasons and the autumn color show makes up for the snow storms in February. I went from living in a one bedroom without parking in the Marina to a 2 bedroom 34th floor condo with parking in a doorman building and my housing cost in Chicago is HALF what it was in S.F. With the museums, public transit, and better architecture, I have come to realize there are more important things to a city than weather that does not change.

 
At 8:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Millenials - cyclist freaks that they are - are causing unsafe conditions on the roadways.

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/blog/earth_to_power/2015/10/millennials-to-blame-for-unsafe-roads-standard.html

 
At 8:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The mafia? They left vegas decades ago...

 
At 1:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for that, Anon @8:53AM.

From the article:

"That has led to the generation, as a whole, spending less on gasoline purchases, resulting in less revenue from the federal tax on gasoline purchases, according to Standard & Poor’s report."

Typical behavior from the cute movement kids - enjoy yourself and screw everyone else! Meanwhile the greatest generation that defeated Hitler is left to make up the difference. Some of us trying to do our part - I'm driving as much as possible and even buying extra gas to keep in my garage. But we can only do so much for these entitled crybabies.

 
At 10:03 AM, Blogger Rob Anderson said...

More cuteness from a bike jerk. Of course Standard and Poor's is wrong about millennials, but what should we expect from a company that helped create the Great Recession with its bogus bond ratings?

The "greatest generation" that carpet-bombed German cities and atomic-bombed Japan?

Congress could easily deal with the phony revenue problem by raising the gas tax. The so-called revenue problem is not about millennials driving less but more about the many high-mileage cars now on the road, which means that a gas tax alone will not be enough to maintain the country's roads.

 
At 7:39 PM, Blogger Dave said...

Please credit the copyrighted photos you use on your blog.

 
At 7:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please credit properly the copyrighted photographs you use on the blog.

 
At 9:15 PM, Blogger Rob Anderson said...

The caption/link under the photo takes you the photographer.

 

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